Written interview between Founders of Fast Seduction Website www.fastseduction.com And Mark ..Seduction King ... of the Sex, Seduction & Strip Clubs Podcast http://MarkJryan.com/podcast2.html
After a few emails back and forth between myself and the owners @ FastSeduction.com. They graciously agreed to give a written interview for the Sex, Seduction & Strip Clubs Podcast. I tried to get them on for an Audio interview, like the one i did with Ross Jeffries , but they declined based on the request that they prefer to remain anonymous. From some of the crap i have put up with on my Podcast show, from making myself public...i can appreciate that request and will honor it.
www.fastseduction.com is a GREAT site to go to and learn what others in the Seduction community are doing and what the members have found works.
I highly recommend it and wish to thank TokyoPUA and Formhandle ( Founders of Fast Seduction Website ) for taking the time to introduce it to us by granting this interview
Mark
Seduction King
Where did you get the idea to start the website?
Formhandle started FastSeduction.com on a cold Boston Monday, September 20th,
1999 to be exact. At that time he was simply trying to make sure that the posts
from the internet USENet group alt.seduction.fast would be archived and all the
great content there would not be lost in case somebody arbitrarily decided to
shut it all down one day. It seemed to be good foresight since, about a year
later, Google bought DejaNews, which at the time was the only reliable web-based
service that archived USENet, and no archives were available for nearly a year
until Google finally brought out an ultra-beta version of Google Groups.
How did you go about starting it?
Formhandle:
At first it was simple. I simply made an archive available and added a few extra
pages. It actually wasn’t hosted off it’s own FastSeduction.com domain at the
time, for the first couple weeks it was more like a glorified Geocities site :)
I’ve always preferred to self-host web sites and, at that time, it was hosted on
my cable Internet connection. I realized at some point that it would be a good
idea to add more features to the site which would be helpful to people and I
wanted to stick to a principle of making all the initial features freely
accessible, and still do. Some features were new ideas like PAIR (Pickup Artist
International Registry – essentially a wingman database) but others were more
core resources like FAQs and link pages, that sort of thing.
What kinds of pitfalls did you run up against?
Formhandle:
Initially it was the same as any other site runs into – putting pages and
resources together, writing code, keeping things fresh and useful for people. In
addition, it made sense about a year in to start hosting off a “business class”
DSL line (a whopping $299/mo! HA!). There was one point where the line was down
for 3 days because the telephone company accidentally gave my digital line to a
regular phone subscriber on my street (they’ll remain nameless but I will say
their name rhymes with Derizon). The line was not super-reliable and the traffic
gradually increased and one of the biggest issues was maintaining reliability
while also adding features and keeping the resources up-to-date by myself, all
while having regular 9-5 jobs.
Another big pitfall, for me anyway, is that my background is not computer
science or even web development. I have a BFA in illustration and my goals
graduating college was make a living being an artist (I suppose that’s what I am
now, but with the word “pickup” thrown before it). So while I was handling my
regular work, I slowly taught myself what I needed to know for all kinds of
web-related technologies. I think at this point someone owes me a Computer
Science degree!
Any funny stories...starting out or along the way?
Formhandle:
Well when you start a site like this, you realize pretty quickly just how likely
it is to get strange calls from people, and do things you never would have
thought necessary before – like having an unlisted number, and privatizing your
domain records, being careful about providing too much access to your personal
information than people really need. That negative stuff being put aside, funny
stories are when you become good friends with your local wings (wingmen) and
find out pretty coincidentally that you’ve both picked up the same girl in 2
totally different situations/places! That’s happened to me twice. In a city full
of 125,000 college girls, and another 100,000 or so young professional women,
you’d think the odds would be pretty low… or maybe I went overboard way back
when first starting out ;)
I think also TokyoPUA can recount some interesting stories of us running into
“natural” pickup artists. One guy in particular always put us in stitches and
some of the stories kill us even today… Tokyo?
TokyoPUA:
Well, yeah, there was this one guy that we met by introducing ourselves to him
after watching him do a clearly expert pickup on a really hot Greek chick in the
local mall. He turned out to be from Morocco, and we could never figure out what
he really did for a living (he played guitar for meals at nearby posh
restaurants, claimed to be a soccer player, a masseuse, etc.). The guy also
sounded like he was a gigolo in South Beach at some point. He also sold me 2
suits for very cheap at one point…
Anyway, one memorable story winging with him was one winter night where we
walked by this restaurant with a table of 6 hot women inside. He stopped in
front of the window and did some IOIs, but didn’t get a good reaction. So he
breathes on the cold glass to fog it up, and proceeds to draw a heart shape… but
he doesn’t really connect the bottom part of the heart. The women think he is
sappy and just sort of rolled their eyes, at which point he extends the bottom
part of the “heart” into what turns out to be the shape of a dick hanging down
(with the “heart” actually being the balls). We all just crack up and walk off
laughing while these chicks are frozen in shock with their mouths open. Classic
Moroccan PUA, lol!
How about some favorite success stories? on the site or
outside
Formhandle:
In terms of pickup, I think my personal favorite “success” was when I first
realized that a guy like me could meet a girl and on that same day be able to
consensually lead her back to my place to “check out my etchings”. At that time,
I was living outside the city and had to drive in to do any kind of practical
street pickup. I was bombing all day that day and was about to give up when I
saw a cute girl walking by in the park and decided to walk up and open her. She
was from out of town and about 4 hours later, I was driving her to my place. I
was so flabbergasted at this kind of result that when we were making out on my
bed I was thinking, “I can’t believe I pulled this off. Is this wrong? I totally
controlled this outcome… WTF?” It really was a new feeling, like being endowed
with a secret superpower.
Why do you keep doing it? any personal satisfaction still in
it?
TokyoPUA:
I would have to say we keep doing it because of the sense of community that has
come about from the site and because of the constant feedback we get from guys
who have had their lives changed for the better as a result of using the site.
There is still a lot of personal satisfaction in it due to this, but of course
there is the flip side of having some guys get on our boards and whine about
small things when they are getting a free service.
And there are the fringe benefits like the PUA groupies, the wild parties we get
invited to, meeting with Trump to give him private consultations on how to pick
up models, the million dollar donations from dot.com billionaires who cant score
without reading our site. But seriously, we do get access to just about any PU
related seminar we want to go to, and its always fun to meet up with the boys.
Otherwise readers should know that these days it’s a hell of a lot of work for
both of us, on average about 60 hours per week for the last 9 months straight,
no joke.
Formhandle:
Yeah, that pretty much caps it for me too. And the past few months have been
harsh for us time-wise, but I think everyone will be happy with the results once
we let them loose.
Had you taken any courses on Seduction? if so what?
You name a seminar, we have probably sat in on it at some point or another. This
was a big fringe benefit when we first started out, but recently it’s lost a bit
of its appeal and become more like work these days when we go review a seminar.
I guess like they say, too much of any good thing can become boring.
TokyoPUA:
Between Formhandle and I we have just about seen and done it all. Just about
any big name in our niche someone would recognize, we’ve been to their seminars
or workshops at least once. And for the people who don’t run seminars or
workshops, we’ve still met and hung out with just about everyone. To name any
one in particular would do injustice to all the great guys we would have to
leave out!
Formhandle:
I took a course once in college called “How to bang a stripper’s hotter friend”.
It was a prerequisite for a painting class. Does that count?”
How about books or audio-visual ?
Since we maintain ourselves as the top resource for pickup and seduction
content, as well as being the defacto center of the seduction community, we’ve
read or seen products by pretty much anyone and everyone that has a product they
can send us to review, whether CDs, DVDs, ebooks, printed books, or strap-on sex
toys (just kidding). This may be hard to believe but we’ve forgotten more
material by now than we remember!
How has the Seduction Material helped both of you in your
lives?
( Besides financially...of course :-) )
We have to disclaim here that the “financial” benefits you allude to here
have been negative so far compared to our old day jobs by over a factor of ½
each. And Formhandle ran the site for the first 2 years entirely out of his
pocket. We hope to at least break even some day, but for now we’re doing what we
enjoy and the goal is for the “business” of it to become our lifestyle. Its less
romantic running a free website than being a PU guru selling tons of products.
TokyoPUA:
Well, the NLP based stuff was the most mind altering if for no other reason
than the general concept of state control, which has been really helpful to me
in business and my personal life. Actively studying evolutional psychology and
has been a major epiphany for me in understanding the motivations of both men
and women (Freud seems very outdated to me in many areas). Putting these two
things together really has helped me have success both with women and with life
in general.
Formhandle:
Isn’t this one of those questions with an obvious answer? :) Seriously, except
for the past few months as working like a dog, it’s given me control in an area
of my life that I didn’t have control of before. I tend to be an overachiever
for many things but for some reason up til a few years ago an underachiever with
women. Simply put, things are different now :)
Has the website changed over the years? What and Why?
Formhandle:
In some ways FastSeduction.com has changed a lot over the years, and in other
ways not that much. For example, other than performance improvements and
occasional tweaks/improvements, I haven’t (yet) done a big revamp of the post
archive, simply because it’s one of those things that at least mostly works the
way it is and I’m usually always distracted by other more immediate stuff. In
contrast, the mASF Forum has been improved quite a lot over the years and,
although I can’t talk about the details, is getting close to another huge
revamp. The things that tend to change most often are the things which have a
more immediate impact on the kind of resources and content that people seem to
want. They’re the things that get the most attention from me and get updated and
improved more often. It’s still just myself (doing web & technicals) and
TokyoPUA (doing more marketing and business-y stuff) running the whole thing,
along with a couple fresh interns.
One thing is for sure that this year FastSeduction.com will be going through a
lot of major improvements and have lots of additional resources added, and
current resources improved. This will be tough to do because I also have to
ensure it also becomes easier to use and less overwhelming to new vistors.
Who uses the site? Any women?
The site is mostly used by men for obvious reasons, but we don’t
discriminate, women are welcome, too. There is a section of our mASF Forum
called the Playettes board where women are encouraged to discuss how they seduce
men.
Formhandle:
Actually, it’s the same person visiting our site over & over… it’s true!
Why do they like your site so much? What do you think is the reason your site
has become so successful as opposed to other sites or boards?
We have always tried to make the site about the users, not about us. The fact
that there is so much free information doesn’t hurt either! There are over
400,000 posts that are searchable on the site, in addition to the free guides
like the player guide, etc. Also, there is P.A.I.R. feature that guys can use to
find wingmen in their area. We have reviews of commercial products, some done by
us, and others that can be found in the reviews section of our forum, so guys
can see what others are saying about products or services they might want to
buy.
There is more than this of course, but when you put it all together, the site
manages to create a community feel for what many now refer to as the “seduction
community”, and that keeps guys coming back.
Who are some of your favorite contributors? Why?
TokyoPUA:
I really liked a lot of the old school guys because that is when I started
out. I loved reading the posts by Maniac High because I was in Japan at the
time. Also I really liked the stuff from MrSex4uNYC. These days I cant get
enough of reading A2daMIR posts, he has better C&F lines than DYD and the most
alpha frame I have ever read.
Formhandle:
I agree about the old school posters. It’s hard to beat their candor and
ability to cut to the chase. The nice part about the site is there’s always
someone new coming along who can blow people away with new insights. I like
Franco’s (zarathustra_fi) posts, David Shade, Tyler Durden. Too many to
remember…
Who are some of the most popular people on the site?
TokyoPUA:
Well, popularity comes and goes it seems, but posters like Tyler Durden and
Mystery still draw a great crowd, but there are some new names that have great
ideas. I don’t know how “popular” he has become yet, but like I said above I
like posts by A2daMIR, the guy has the best verbal game I think I have ever
heard, its just amazing. And he only started posting in the last half year, so
its encouraging to see new talent coming in all the time.
Formhandle:
Honestly, although I may seem like the best person to answer that question, it’s
really hard to tell. There are at least 100 guys who post on mASF who get
hundreds of reads for every post they make and by the time the posts are expired
for archiving the count is usually near 2,000 reads – per post. I think also
that the perception of who is the most popular will be perceived differently by
different people, depending on what they’re interested in – camaraderie,
knowledge, or drama.
If you liked this format and have more questions about how to use the site or anything else about the site please let me know
Thanks,
Mark
Seduction King
Here are some of the techniques that Fast Seduction 101 uses for people that they think infringe on their Fast Seduction Trade mark
I am interested in seeing how this is done, so i will use this page as a reference to put up all communication from anyone at Fast Seduction.Here is the first email letter from the Parent company of Fast Seduction.
Friendly enough! I am still unsure of what they have and what is required of me, by both them and the Law.Here is the second letter
info@learnthesills.com Now this one is very vague...and can see no reason for sending it...can you?I am wondering what exactly they are doing? Mark